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Post by jk on Apr 7, 2020 16:04:27 GMT
"Ten Little Indians" (at 1:25 surely one of the shortest A-sides ever):
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 7, 2020 16:08:19 GMT
Nice, that's an underrated one I didn't think of.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 7, 2020 16:08:42 GMT
Nice, that's an underrated one I didn't think of. Ditto.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 7, 2020 16:31:29 GMT
But the question is, what was/is the best place for "Games Two Can Play"?
A. On Sunflower B. On Adult Child C. remain as a unreleased song, appearing on comps
D. Other
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 7, 2020 16:34:41 GMT
I don't think its minimalist approach fits sonically very well with Sunflower, but I also don't usually like taking anachronistic recordings for other "real" albums, either, so I never felt it fit on Adult Child.
So either it's an oddball on Sunflower or it lives the life it lived as an outtake/comp bonus track.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 7, 2020 16:36:09 GMT
I think it could have worked on 15 Big Ones or maybe the Caribou album they were working on in 74/75.
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Post by jk on Apr 7, 2020 19:58:16 GMT
But the question is, what was/is the best place for "Games Two Can Play"?
A. On Sunflower B. On Adult Child C. remain as a unreleased song, appearing on comps
D. Other
It's absolutely perfect where it is now, as track 18 on disc three of GV 30 Years.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 7, 2020 19:59:45 GMT
But the question is, what was/is the best place for "Games Two Can Play"?
A. On Sunflower B. On Adult Child C. remain as a unreleased song, appearing on comps
D. Other
It's absolutely perfect where it is now, as track 18 on disc three of GV 30 Years. And with such a prominent spot as that, you can't miss it!
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 7, 2020 20:14:05 GMT
What I never understood about "Games Two Can Play", and in the same respect, "Good Time", is this. Did they really think that nobody would notice how different Brian's voice was, and how out of place the song sounded. And I'm referring to specifically Love You and Adult Child, but especially Adult Child. If they (Brian?) really liked the songs "Good Time" and "Games Two Can Play" so much, so much that he had to literally dig them out of the vault to put on two albums, then why didn't he/they re-record the vocals to make them...fit...sonically? Doesn't that make more sense then just inserted them as is, or as was?
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Post by B.E. on Apr 7, 2020 20:28:45 GMT
What I never understood about "Games Two Can Play", and in the same respect, "Good Time", is this. Did they really think that nobody would notice how different Brian's voice was, and how out of place the song sounded. And I'm referring to specifically Love You and Adult Child, but especially Adult Child. If they (Brian?) really liked the songs "Good Time" and "Games Two Can Play" so much, so much that he had to literally dig them out of the vault to put on two albums, then why didn't he/they re-record the vocals to make them...fit...sonically? Doesn't that make more sense then just inserted them as is, or as was? I think it's pretty clear that sonic cohesion was not part of the equation when it came to producing and compiling Adult/Child. And, if it weren't, then why rerecord inferior vocals? I just think Brian liked the songs and recordings (because they were his) and wanted them released. I don't think there's much else to it. Edit: Sheriff John Stone, you could include 15 Big Ones in this, too. Brian (and the rest of the group) clearly didn't object to occasionally including recordings that sound out of place. So, at that point, it's just a matter of wanting to release a song or not.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 7, 2020 20:38:45 GMT
What I never understood about "Games Two Can Play", and in the same respect, "Good Time", is this. Did they really think that nobody would notice how different Brian's voice was, and how out of place the song sounded. And I'm referring to specifically Love You and Adult Child, but especially Adult Child. If they (Brian?) really liked the songs "Good Time" and "Games Two Can Play" so much, so much that he had to literally dig them out of the vault to put on two albums, then why didn't he/they re-record the vocals to make them...fit...sonically? Doesn't that make more sense then just inserted them as is, or as was? I think it's pretty clear that sonic cohesion was not part of the equation when it came to producing and compiling Adult/Child. And, if it weren't, then why rerecord inferior vocals? I just think Brian liked the songs and recordings (because they were his) and wanted them released. I don't think there's anything else to it. I think you're right, but I'll add something else. I'm probably wrong, in fact I know I'm wrong, but it's something I've thought about regarding Adult Child. I wonder if the sonic quality and lack of cohesion had anything to do with the album's rejection by the record company. I mean, the sound of these songs is all over the place! I'm referring specifically to "Games Two Can Play", "Hey Little Tomboy", and "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way" going toe-to-toe with the 1977 tracks. Maybe its' something that only a diehard would notice or even care about, and a picky diehard at that.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 7, 2020 20:40:14 GMT
The same goes for "When Girls Get Together," of course. Sticks out like a sore thumb. A slow, tedious sore thumb!
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Post by B.E. on Apr 7, 2020 20:47:19 GMT
I'm referring specifically to "Games Two Can Play", "Hey Little Tomboy", and "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way" going toe-to-toe with the 1977 tracks. Heck, many of the '76-77 recordings sound out of place from each other.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 7, 2020 20:53:31 GMT
I'm referring specifically to "Games Two Can Play", "Hey Little Tomboy", and "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way" going toe-to-toe with the 1977 tracks. Heck, many of the '76-77 recordings sound out of place from each other. True, and beyond. "My Diane" and "Match Point of Our Love" are from the same album?
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Post by bellbottoms on Apr 7, 2020 21:08:41 GMT
I think it's pretty clear that sonic cohesion was not part of the equation when it came to producing and compiling Adult/Child. And, if it weren't, then why rerecord inferior vocals? I just think Brian liked the songs and recordings (because they were his) and wanted them released. I don't think there's anything else to it. I think you're right, but I'll add something else. I'm probably wrong, in fact I know I'm wrong, but it's something I've thought about regarding Adult Child. I wonder if the sonic quality and lack of cohesion had anything to do with the album's rejection by the record company. I mean, the sound of these songs is all over the place! I'm referring specifically to "Games Two Can Play", "Hey Little Tomboy", and "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way" going toe-to-toe with the 1977 tracks. Maybe its' something that only a diehard would notice or even care about, and a picky diehard at that. I think it kind of works for Adult/Child to have a split personality. The album title kind of sets it up.
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