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Post by Kapitan on Apr 4, 2020 12:52:12 GMT
10. Odgens' Nut Gone Flake (Small Faces) 13. We're Only in It for the Money (Mothers) 14. Odessey and Oracle (Zombies) 15. Forever Changes (Love) [out go Santana] 16. Trout Mask Replica (Beefheart) These are some especially where I wonder about their impact on the greater story of the genre. Three of the five are among my half dozen to ten favorite albums of all time, but none are going to make any list I end up with, I don't think.
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Post by kds on Apr 4, 2020 13:22:30 GMT
Stopping around 1994 sounds about right anyway! I think very few albums since that time have truly mattered to the broad history of even big-tent popular music, much less rock and roll. I agree. I've said before that I think grunge was the last true groundbreaking, creative movement. Everything since has pretty much been derivative of something else.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 4, 2020 13:49:48 GMT
Stopping around 1994 sounds about right anyway! I think very few albums since that time have truly mattered to the broad history of even big-tent popular music, much less rock and roll. I agree. I've said before that I think grunge was the last true groundbreaking, creative movement. Everything since has pretty much been derivative of something else. I almost think of it the same way. My slight change would be grunge wasn't quite groundbreaking and creative, either, but was at least a recombination of parts and image that was significantly different from what was popular, and it became supremely popular.
Since then, I think the things that have been popular have tended not to be even that kind of "new," and the things that have been new developments haven't been broadly popular.
Maybe the biggest challenges to my thinking--not to say I like them--are nu-metal's rap-sludge-rock, the heavy infusion of hip hop into mainstream pop, and maybe the heavy incorporation of computer technology and synthesized, programmed sounds into indie rock (making it essentially a solitary form instead of a band form). But almost like how there aren't many single albums of the 50s to represent the beginning, similarly I don't know that there are a lot of single albums of the past decades to represent this (death?).
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Post by B.E. on Apr 4, 2020 14:44:15 GMT
Maybe the biggest challenges to my thinking--not to say I like them--are nu-metal's rap-sludge-rock, the heavy infusion of hip hop into mainstream pop, and maybe the heavy incorporation of computer technology and synthesized, programmed sounds into indie rock (making it essentially a solitary form instead of a band form). But almost like how there aren't many single albums of the 50s to represent the beginning, similarly I don't know that there are a lot of single albums of the past decades to represent this (death?). I think Rage Against The Machine deserves consideration.
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Post by kds on Apr 4, 2020 15:23:16 GMT
I agree. I've said before that I think grunge was the last true groundbreaking, creative movement. Everything since has pretty much been derivative of something else. I almost think of it the same way. My slight change would be grunge wasn't quite groundbreaking and creative, either, but was at least a recombination of parts and image that was significantly different from what was popular, and it became supremely popular.
Since then, I think the things that have been popular have tended not to be even that kind of "new," and the things that have been new developments haven't been broadly popular.
Maybe the biggest challenges to my thinking--not to say I like them--are nu-metal's rap-sludge-rock, the heavy infusion of hip hop into mainstream pop, and maybe the heavy incorporation of computer technology and synthesized, programmed sounds into indie rock (making it essentially a solitary form instead of a band form). But almost like how there aren't many single albums of the 50s to represent the beginning, similarly I don't know that there are a lot of single albums of the past decades to represent this (death?).
Maybe not especially creative, but it did completely change the genre (not for the better), especially in terms of vocals, as grunge gave us the ever popular (and fuckin' annoying) "yarling" style.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 4, 2020 15:56:00 GMT
As an elective, I took a Music Appreciation course in college (Penn State) way back in the 70's. The final exam was picking a musician/composer/artist, writing a several page-long paper about your chosen artist, and then giving an oral presentation in front of the class including music samples. Most of the class chose classical music composers, some went with jazz musicians, and there was a smattering of blues artists. And, guess who this naive, immature, music knowledge-limited freshman chose? You guessed it. The Doors.
I had numerous Circus and Creem magazines, a couple of books on the history of rock & roll, and just the knowledge I gained from various TV, radio, and miscellaneous articles on Jim Morrison and The Doors. I wrote a nice, long, detailed paper. My Mom, who was a secretary, typed it for me. It was borderline plagiarism as I lifted various passages from old Circus and Creem magazines, but I took my chances and defied anyone, especially the teacher, to have read or possessed those magazines. I brought a few albums into class to play, all vinyl, and I rehearsed my presentation to death - I was ready! Well, it didn't exactly go over the way I thought it would. My presentation was near the end of the group's, and it just came off as not serious enough, not sophisticated enough, or not...important enough. I probably appeared too much like a high school fanboy, which I guess I was. Like some of the earlier presenters who covered the tragic decline of their chosen artist, I also went there, and had plenty of material for that! I even covered the Miami incident, which brought out some of unwelcomed laughter from my classmates. I was taken off guard by that. I was really emphasizing that Jim Morrison was ground-breaking in the way he "used lyrics as an instrument", and some guy yelled out, "What about Dylan?" I addressed him on the spot, and my response was, totally incorrect by the way, that Dylan's lyrical brilliance mostly occurred during his folk and protest years, totally ignoring Dylan's 1965-75 years. The guy just scoffed. I deserved the scoff.
In the end, I couldn't wait to sit down. I walked out of the classroom with my tail between my legs, but then some guy walked up to me and said, "Hey, man, that was great. Jim Morrison and The Doors were the best. Thanks for choosing them. I really enjoyed it." That made me feel better. I got a C for the term paper/presentation but a B for the course.
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