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Post by jk on Jan 6, 2020 21:56:12 GMT
Longest instrumental workout in a BB song: "Leaving This Town". I make it 1:45, marginally longer than that of "Feel Flows" (1:30).
Of course, instrumental workouts over a repeating pattern are a rare breed in BB music...
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Post by kds on Jan 9, 2020 21:11:04 GMT
Longest instrumental workout in a BB song: "Leaving This Town". I make it 1:45, marginally longer than that of "Feel Flows" (1:30). Of course, instrumental workouts over a repeating pattern are a rare breed in BB music... These instrumental workouts are definitely not what one thinks about when they think of The Beach Boys, but I'd have loved to see them explore that direction a little more, and I think they were headed that way with Holland (which also includes a really nice guitar solo on Steamboat), but, alas, Endless Summer.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 9, 2020 21:34:59 GMT
I think part of their failure to go that direction was their own instrumental proficiency. Which could really improvise in an interesting way for more than a couple choruses?
The two new members, Blondie and Ricky. Or an ex member, David.
Carl could certainly handle straightforward rock and roll solos but he never showed an inclination (or imagination) to jam. Bruce no doubt could improvise on keyboards but was out of the band. Brian never showed technical chops and didn’t tour anyway.
So it’s really session players or sidemen. I can understand not turning over much time to them to show their stuff. After all nobody goes to a Rihanna concert to hear Nuno Bettencourt shred.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 9, 2020 22:13:57 GMT
I think part of their failure to go that direction was their own instrumental proficiency. Which could really improvise in an interesting way for more than a couple choruses? The two new members, Blondie and Ricky. Or an ex member, David. Carl could certainly handle straightforward rock and roll solos but he never showed an inclination (or imagination) to jam. Bruce no doubt could improvise on keyboards but was out of the band. Brian never showed technical chops and didn’t tour anyway. So it’s really session players or sidemen. I can understand not turning over much time to them to show their stuff. After all nobody goes to a Rihanna concert to hear Nuno Bettencourt shred. I agree. The Beach Boys just weren't THAT kind of band Never were, never will be (though Blondie has been tremendous at BW shows the last few years). When some fans say about songs like "Leaving This Town", that it's not the Beach Boys, I think they really mean it. It is really hard to get a Beach Boys' feeling or vibe out of songs like "Leaving This Town".
However, sometimes I sense hypocrisy with some Beach Boys' fans when it comes to the merits of the Chaplin-Fataar dominated songs. Some of the people who sing the praises of Carl & The Passions - So Tough and Holland are the same people who continually blast the latter day, Mike Love-led Beach Boys' lineups when they say "No Wilsons, no Beach Boys". OK. Tell me how many Wilsons you hear on "Here She Comes", "Hold On Dear Brother", "Leaving This Town", and even a lot of "California Saga".
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Post by Mike's the Greatest!! on Jan 10, 2020 0:41:26 GMT
The best Brian vocal I think is Caroline No.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 10, 2020 0:59:58 GMT
The best Brian vocal I think is Caroline No. If it's not his best vocal, it's at least in the Top 3. Same with song. If it's not his best song, it's in the Top 3. I've always been surprised that more artists haven't covered "Caroline, No", much in the way "God Only Knows" has been covered.
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Post by kds on Jan 10, 2020 13:03:23 GMT
I think part of their failure to go that direction was their own instrumental proficiency. Which could really improvise in an interesting way for more than a couple choruses? The two new members, Blondie and Ricky. Or an ex member, David. Carl could certainly handle straightforward rock and roll solos but he never showed an inclination (or imagination) to jam. Bruce no doubt could improvise on keyboards but was out of the band. Brian never showed technical chops and didn’t tour anyway. So it’s really session players or sidemen. I can understand not turning over much time to them to show their stuff. After all nobody goes to a Rihanna concert to hear Nuno Bettencourt shred. I agree. The Beach Boys just weren't THAT kind of band Never were, never will be (though Blondie has been tremendous at BW shows the last few years). When some fans say about songs like "Leaving This Town", that it's not the Beach Boys, I think they really mean it. It is really hard to get a Beach Boys' feeling or vibe out of songs like "Leaving This Town".
However, sometimes I sense hypocrisy with some Beach Boys' fans when it comes to the merits of the Chaplin-Fataar dominated songs. Some of the people who sing the praises of Carl & The Passions - So Tough and Holland are the same people who continually blast the latter day, Mike Love-led Beach Boys' lineups when they say "No Wilsons, no Beach Boys". OK. Tell me how many Wilsons you hear on "Here She Comes", "Hold On Dear Brother", "Leaving This Town", and even a lot of "California Saga". I know exactly what you're talking about. But, it's really just an excuse to slam anything that's Mike-centric.
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Post by kds on Jan 10, 2020 13:05:33 GMT
I think part of their failure to go that direction was their own instrumental proficiency. Which could really improvise in an interesting way for more than a couple choruses? The two new members, Blondie and Ricky. Or an ex member, David. Carl could certainly handle straightforward rock and roll solos but he never showed an inclination (or imagination) to jam. Bruce no doubt could improvise on keyboards but was out of the band. Brian never showed technical chops and didn’t tour anyway. So it’s really session players or sidemen. I can understand not turning over much time to them to show their stuff. After all nobody goes to a Rihanna concert to hear Nuno Bettencourt shred. That's 100% true also. I was always curious about what kind of a role Nuno played in his time in Rihanna's backing band, but I've never been curious enough to subject myself to one of her shows, which I'm sure are on the You Tube.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 10, 2020 13:07:46 GMT
I've never watched one either, but I have watched interviews with him about the gig. Apparently her music spans a diversity of styles (presumably because on albums it's sampling diverse artists), so he's on his toes jumping from some funk vamp to some lead part, etc.
From his perspective, it's got to be nice getting paid, though! She has to be among the 5 or so biggest pop stars in the world (god help us).
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Post by kds on Jan 10, 2020 13:18:40 GMT
I've never watched one either, but I have watched interviews with him about the gig. Apparently her music spans a diversity of styles (presumably because on albums it's sampling diverse artists), so he's on his toes jumping from some funk vamp to some lead part, etc.
From his perspective, it's got to be nice getting paid, though! She has to be among the 5 or so biggest pop stars in the world (god help us).
He talked about it very briefly when he appeared on That Metal Show (God, I miss that show), but didn't really go into details. More power to him to having steady work while Extreme were on hiatus for a while. And poor Nuno, he picked a really bad time to get into the shred scene.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 10, 2020 13:32:37 GMT
He talked about it very briefly when he appeared on That Metal Show (God, I miss that show)... I remember when That Metal Show was winding down (it might've even been the last show), and Eddie Trunk said something to the effect that he/they are shopping the show around and hopefully will find a new home. It's been a couple of years now and I haven't heard or read anything.
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Post by kds on Jan 10, 2020 13:37:26 GMT
He talked about it very briefly when he appeared on That Metal Show (God, I miss that show)... I remember when That Metal Show was winding down (it might've even been the last show), and Eddie Trunk said something to the effect that he/they are shopping the show around and hopefully will find a new home. It's been a couple of years now and I haven't heard or read anything. That backs up my theory about how music geekdom is dying. I doubt a show about mostly middle aged rock musicians chatting it up with middle aged hosts is really a hot commodity, nor does it appeal to the key demos networks want. Plus, the music word is so pop-centric now, that even a non HD basic cable show will be unlikely to pick up a show that mostly discusses hard rock and metal from the 70s and 80. I know Eddie got a show on AXS (which is on Xfinity for some reason), but apparently, it's less of a music show, and more of a traveling show.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 10, 2020 13:49:58 GMT
I've heard him talk about it occasionally on his SiriusXM/podcast show. He says he's up to restart it anytime, all he needs is someone willing to partner with him...
But I think KDS is right: people just don't care (enough), apparently, for it to be a national show. And yes, middle-aged (or older) guys talking to middle-aged (or older) guys mostly about music that was made 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago just isn't a growth market for mass audiences. Go figure.
On this, Trunk is right. He often says, look, if you like this music, support new artists who make it. Buy product. Attend shows. That helps shape the product. When people were buying grunge, bands made music in that style. It's not as if nobody WOULD make or COULD make that music. It's that nobody buys it. If they did buy it, they would make it. Musicians are a pretty malleable bunch, on the whole.
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Post by kds on Jan 10, 2020 14:13:37 GMT
I've heard him talk about it occasionally on his SiriusXM/podcast show. He says he's up to restart it anytime, all he needs is someone willing to partner with him...
But I think KDS is right: people just don't care (enough), apparently, for it to be a national show. And yes, middle-aged (or older) guys talking to middle-aged (or older) guys mostly about music that was made 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago just isn't a growth market for mass audiences. Go figure.
On this, Trunk is right. He often says, look, if you like this music, support new artists who make it. Buy product. Attend shows. That helps shape the product. When people were buying grunge, bands made music in that style. It's not as if nobody WOULD make or COULD make that music. It's that nobody buys it. If they did buy it, they would make it. Musicians are a pretty malleable bunch, on the whole.
And towards the end of That Metal Show, they did try to include some younger artists, like Taylor Momson (sp?) from The Pretty Reckless, Lzzy Hale from Halestorm, and M Shadows from Avenged Sevenfold, but ultimately, it wasn't enough to save the show. I just think that rock is becoming increasingly a niche genre, and while I agree with what Eddie says, it's kind of a chicken / egg arguments about paying to see new bands. I worked at an active rock radio station from 2002-2006, and the vast majority of our fans back then were 35-54.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 10, 2020 14:31:28 GMT
Yeah, it is a chicken-egg thing.
One thing I always wonder is, if the industry pushed rock again, what would happen? I actually believe to some extent that people are sheep. Not entirely, and there are definitely instances of sufficient popular push-back (e.g., "New Coke" in the early/mid 80s). But often, people accept what is marketed and advertised.
In this case, it has been long enough since rock was popular that it might have a legitimate chance. It is no longer that older brother's or even parent's thing that you (as a teenager) are actively trying to break free from; it might seem like some cool, dusty relic that you "discovered" and made cool again, as has happened a billion times with various subgenres, like when every few years people "rediscover" rockabilly, psychedelia, etc. Except in this case it wouldn't be a subgenre, but the bigger genre of rock itself.
Without an enormous budget and industry backing, there is no way to know. But I really wonder. Frankly these days, you could do it cheaper than ever before with the right influencers. It would only take a few brave, popular souls.
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