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Post by jk on Jan 13, 2020 22:03:50 GMT
...Something rather similar happens in the instrumental workout in "Feel Flows", when Charles Lloyd's sax becomes briefly audible... Some Charles Lloyd trivia...Charles "The Chief" Lloyd played on several Beach Boys' tracks from Surf's Up in 1971 through the M.I.U. Album in 1978, in addition to touring with the band and helping out Mike Love with Celebration.
But, did you know...that Charles Lloyd recorded with The Doors - and it wasn't on The Soft Parade album. Yes, for The Doors' last studio album, Full Circle, in 1972 and post-Jim Morrison, Charles Lloyd played the saxophone on "Verdillac" and the flute on "The Piano Bird". And he was quite prevalent on both songs. On some of the tracks on Full Circle, The Doors experimented with jazz-rock sound, with varying degrees of success. Actually, I wish The Doors would've continued to record and expand on that jazz-rock approach. Ray Manzarek, Robby Krieger, and especially John Densmore were perfect for it.
Manarek, Krieger, and Densmore first met in 1965 at a Transcendental Meditation class in Los Angeles. I'm wondering if their connection with Charles Lloyd had anything to do with their shared interest in TM?
I remember this album, basically for a quirky thing about a mosquito. I'm afraid I couldn't get into it at all!! According to Wikipedia, The Doors hired Henry Lewy to engineer Full Circle, and he "in turn brought in Charles Lloyd and a host of session players". You're a far better judge of all this than I am. Thanks for the "trivia", Sheriff.
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 6, 2020 15:49:07 GMT
The entirety of "Let the Wind Blow" is in my head this morning. The sound of the piano, the bass (and left hand piano) part in the verses ... all of it. Love it. Highly underrated.
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Post by bellbottoms on Feb 6, 2020 18:59:43 GMT
Since TWGMTR came up again today I decided to put it on... and now I find myself posting here instead of that thread, because Daybreak Over the Ocean has one of my all time favourite Beach Boys musical moments... I friggin' love the percussion in the chorus. The way it trips over itself, like walking on a beach, stumbling over a mound of sand and landing with a thud and then getting back up again, only to trip over another mound of sand. It's joyful, hypnotic and simply magical.
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 6, 2020 19:24:54 GMT
Since TWGMTR came up again today I decided to put it on... and now I find myself posting here instead of that thread, because Daybreak Over the Ocean has one of my all time favourite Beach Boys musical moments... I friggin' love the percussion in the chorus. The way it trips over itself, like walking on a beach, stumbling over a mound of sand and landing with a thud and then getting back up again, only to trip over another mound of sand. It's joyful, hypnotic and simply magical. Well now I've got to listen for it. Please hold...
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 7, 2020 23:15:04 GMT
Since TWGMTR came up again today I decided to put it on... and now I find myself posting here instead of that thread, because Daybreak Over the Ocean has one of my all time favourite Beach Boys musical moments... I friggin' love the percussion in the chorus. The way it trips over itself, like walking on a beach, stumbling over a mound of sand and landing with a thud and then getting back up again, only to trip over another mound of sand. It's joyful, hypnotic and simply magical. Well now I've got to listen for it. Please hold... I forgot to follow up on this yesterday. But I've got to say, bellbottoms, whatever you're hearing ... I don't get it. That said, I know a lot of things that knock me out are more or less nothing to others, so it's cool.
On the topic of that song, though, I've always felt warmly toward Carl, via Christian Love's singing. He can be almost scarily Carlesque, which is odd considering he's the son of a cousin (as opposed to a son, or a brother).
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Post by bellbottoms on Feb 8, 2020 15:49:03 GMT
Well now I've got to listen for it. Please hold... I forgot to follow up on this yesterday. But I've got to say, bellbottoms, whatever you're hearing ... I don't get it. That said, I know a lot of things that knock me out are more or less nothing to others, so it's cool.
On the topic of that song, though, I've always felt warmly toward Carl, via Christian Love's singing. He can be almost scarily Carlesque, which is odd considering he's the son of a cousin (as opposed to a son, or a brother).
I guess we all hear things a bit differently. There are obviously a lot of universally loved Beach Boys moments, but so much of our appreciation is individually subjective, too. Personally, I seem to have developed an automatic comparison reaction to music… “this reminds me of something else”. I think I have the kind of brain that searches for connections between things, even if there isn’t one. Oh well, they say there’s no wrong way to listen to music, right? Anyway, I agree about Christian Love's vocals. It really does sound like Carl is in there. It's wonderful, and also a little bit wistful.
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Post by kds on Feb 8, 2020 18:10:57 GMT
I forgot to follow up on this yesterday. But I've got to say, bellbottoms, whatever you're hearing ... I don't get it. That said, I know a lot of things that knock me out are more or less nothing to others, so it's cool.
On the topic of that song, though, I've always felt warmly toward Carl, via Christian Love's singing. He can be almost scarily Carlesque, which is odd considering he's the son of a cousin (as opposed to a son, or a brother).
I guess we all hear things a bit differently. There are obviously a lot of universally loved Beach Boys moments, but so much of our appreciation is individually subjective, too. Personally, I seem to have developed an automatic comparison reaction to music… “this reminds me of something else”. I think I have the kind of brain that searches for connections between things, even if there isn’t one. Oh well, they say there’s no wrong way to listen to music, right? Anyway, I agree about Christian Love's vocals. It really does sound like Carl is in there. It's wonderful, and also a little bit wistful. I don't really hear that percussion effect, but to me, that song does musically sound like a walk on the beach on a warm summer day. I think its a very underrated song. (I really think it tends to be disliked more than other TWGMTR tracks because its a Mike song).
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Post by bellbottoms on Feb 8, 2020 20:27:17 GMT
I don't really hear that percussion effect, but to me, that song does musically sound like a walk on the beach on a warm summer day. I think its a very underrated song. (I really think it tends to be disliked more than other TWGMTR tracks because its a Mike song). It may actually have turned out be the dark horse for my favourite song on the album, officially overtaking From There to Back Again, by a nose.
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 8, 2020 20:39:26 GMT
One thing I really like about that song is how at the end of the refrain, the sustained chord doesn't fully resolve. It's very unusual. I wonder who thought of that.
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Post by kds on Feb 9, 2020 15:04:54 GMT
I don't really hear that percussion effect, but to me, that song does musically sound like a walk on the beach on a warm summer day. I think its a very underrated song. (I really think it tends to be disliked more than other TWGMTR tracks because its a Mike song). It may actually have turned out be the dark horse for my favourite song on the album, officially overtaking From There to Back Again, by a nose. I'm probably not ready to go that far, but top 5 or 6. Its amazing that with all the mediocre songs that appeared on BB albums from 1978-1992, that Daybreak sat on the shelf for three and a half decades. At least it found a home on a really good album.
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 9, 2020 15:08:38 GMT
Its amazing that with all the mediocre songs that appeared on BB albums from 1978-1992, that Daybreak sat on the shelf for three and a half decades. Is it, though!? For the Beach Boys?
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Post by kds on Feb 9, 2020 15:15:50 GMT
Its amazing that with all the mediocre songs that appeared on BB albums from 1978-1992, that Daybreak sat on the shelf for three and a half decades. Is it, though!? For the Beach Boys? Well, for any other band it would be. But, not my Boys.
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 10, 2020 19:50:46 GMT
This isn't so much kicking my ass as tickling my fancy.
I've never really given much thought to this before, but the drums in "Hushabye" are surprisingly Big Dumb Rawk: tom-tom fills between lines in the verses in particular, very big, the sort of thing you'd expect from some arena rock song of the 70s or 80s, not a sweet, vocal-harmony tune from the mid-60s. Listening this afternoon, I could almost see the MTV video from the '80s the sweaty drummer in slow motion on his drum riser, maybe some pyro in the background...
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Post by B.E. on Feb 10, 2020 20:14:48 GMT
This isn't so much kicking my ass as tickling my fancy.
I've never really given much thought to this before, but the drums in "Hushabye" are surprisingly Big Dumb Rawk: tom-tom fills between lines in the verses in particular, very big, the sort of thing you'd expect from some arena rock song of the 70s or 80s, not a sweet, vocal-harmony tune from the mid-60s. Listening this afternoon, I could almost see the MTV video from the '80s the sweaty drummer in slow motion on his drum riser, maybe some pyro in the background...
I don't think I've ever zeroed in on the drumming of "Hushabye" before. In addition to the bombastic fills, it's only in the bridge that you hear a cymbal of any kind, or a straight drum beat. Brian's approach to percussion hardly seems conventional. It's enlightening, really.
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 10, 2020 20:18:18 GMT
Brian's use of drums in particular is very interesting: even on a kit, percussion is the right word, because he often opted against the more typical beats, especially in terms of using a ride or hat. Someone, somewhere discusses it. Maybe Nelson Bragg or Jim Hines in one of the docs?
I knew that, but the specific "Hushabye" part really never occurred to me before today. It's really odd!
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