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Post by B.E. on Oct 3, 2020 22:32:42 GMT
You got it, JK.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Oct 3, 2020 23:16:29 GMT
B.E. mentioned a song ("Shotgun") that reminded him of a Doors' song ("The Changeling"). I have read a few interviews with Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger where they both admitted to "lifting" parts or stealing licks from other musicians. This is an excerpt from a 1977 interview when Ray was promoting his then new band, Nite City:
Can you describe the Ray Manzarek style of improvisation?
Of course I like to hear a guy play fast and clever solos and all that kind of jazz stuff, but I really like the idea of inventing melody lines with logical figures that have a beginning and build to some sort of climax before the solo is over. I think some people tend to run changes too much in solos. A lot of players really get hung up on their technique; guitar players are really guilty of this. But it doesn't matter if you have the worst technique in the world if you can just play a couple of interesting notes per eight bars that lead to other notes that all go together to make up a melodic whole. That, not technique, is the art of music. Technique is just something that gets you there. I think all musicians should think of the notes they are playing rather than their fingers going over the notes. Forget about your fingers; play what's in your heart. On the other hand, God knows I wish I had better technique.
But do you ever find yourself stealing licks from other musicians? Does that sort of thing reflect "what's in your heart" if it fits in with what you're playing?
Well, I don't just say, "Hey, I'm going to steal this lick." What I like to do is make the lick very obvious and give an inkling of where my likes and roots and all that business come from. I like to stick in something from Miles Davis or cop something from Coltrane. And that's not stealing; it's saying, "Hey, this is what I like and has anybody else out there heard this? Wasn't it great when you first heard it?" On the album I did by myself for Mercury, The Golden Scarab [Mercury, SRM 1-703], there's a song called "Downbound Train" where the piano passage at the begining of the solo is from part of Wynton Kelly's piano solo on "So What" from the Miles Davis album Live at Carnegie Hall [Columbia, PC-8612E].
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Oct 11, 2020 12:34:13 GMT
The Doors released Morrison Hotel - 50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition. This is an alternate take/version of "Queen Of The Highway":
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Oct 16, 2020 14:32:41 GMT
Black Doors - Break On Through To The Paranoid Side:
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Nov 20, 2020 16:30:14 GMT
Yes, Ray could write and play anything. "The Crystal Ship"...jeez...1966-67 was such a magical time.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Dec 8, 2020 13:07:46 GMT
Remembering Jim Morrison (December 8, 1943 - July 3, 1971)
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 8, 2021 12:35:51 GMT
Happy 75th Birthday to Robby Krieger. Robby remembers Eddie Van Halen:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 6:17:28 GMT
To completely appreciate the doors album called LA woman you have to live the experience of every song by driving down freeway in LA late at night.... Cops in cars......., never knew a woman, so alone. It's the theme song of the city far far from the beach and the surf, if 15 minutes is far.... My rankings reflect those of the sheriff For many years, The Doors' first album was my favorite album. I mean, how can you top an album with "Light My Fire", "Break On Through", "The Crystal Ship", "Soul Kitchen", and "The End", not to mention "Alabama Song", "End Of The Night", and "Twentieth Century Fox". However, when the 40th Anniversary release of L.A. Woman came out a few years ago, I was re-born with the album. Some of those alternate versions blew me away frankly, and I re-evaluated my opinion of the album. I always loved L.A. Woman, mostly for the obvious songs, but now I realized how great the "other" songs were, too. Just because they weren't singles or played on oldies/classic rock radio stations didn't mean they didn't have as much musical merit. Yes, they have a lot of musical merit! Again, I elevated songs like "Been Down So Long", "The Changeling", "Hyacinth House", ""L'America", and "The WASP (Texas Radio And The Big Beat)" to great status. In the end, almost every song on the album is top notch, with the possible exception of "Crawling King Snake", and that song ain't...bad.
I also read quite a few articles and interviews from the surviving Doors and other associates of the band. And you know how that works - somebody will mention or talk about a certain song, and it makes you then appreciate that song a little more. They bring out something that you never heard or noticed before, and you go, "Yeah, I hear that now..." or "I never realized that before." I forget who it was, it was either Robby or John, but they said something to the effect that "Hyacinth House" might be the saddest song that Jim ever wrote or the saddest song in The Doors' catalogue. Things like that give me a different or new perspective on a song. Here is a spectacular alternate version of "Been Down So Long":
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 19:25:22 GMT
SJS, Or anyone else who knows. I found an album called behind closed doors the rarities, but I could not find the 40th anniversary edition of LA woman. Do you know if this album that I mention contains the same or similar material? It appears to have the alternate version of then down so long. Thanks and best wishes to everyone. Perhaps this album even contains more rarities spanning various albums.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 9, 2021 19:59:35 GMT
SJS, Or anyone else who knows. I found an album called behind closed doors the rarities, but I could not find the 40th anniversary edition of LA woman. Do you know if this album that I mention contains the same or similar material? It appears to have the alternate version of then down so long. Thanks and best wishes to everyone. Perhaps this album even contains more rarities spanning various albums. Yes, your last sentence is correct.
Behind Closed Doors: The Rarities was released by Eleckta/Rhino in 2013. By that time, all of the Doors' 40th Anniversary albums had been released (except for the post-Morrison Other Voices and Full Circle). Behind Closed Doors: The Rarities is basically a compilation or highlights of the aforementioned 40th anniversary releases - with a few live recordings sprinkled in. It is an excellent sampler; three CDs of amazing Doors' songs.
The L.A. Woman 40th Anniversary release does contain more than what is represented on Behind Closed Doors. In some related news, 1970 saw the release of the Morrison Hotel 50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition. So, you know what's up next - the L.A. Woman 50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition, hopefully in 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 1:07:44 GMT
Thank you sheriff and I will play that ASAP. I have heard of least a dozen different young male singers from various groups or super groups or hipster groups sing with the aging doors to take Jim Morrison's part, and most of them do a very respectable and respectful job, but when you hear them and then you hear jim you realize just how amazingly talented jim was as a vocalist.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Feb 28, 2021 1:44:37 GMT
This is an amazing live version of "Universal Mind" performed by The Doors on 8/21/70 at The Bakersfield, California Auditorium. It was the last time "Universal Mind" would be performed by The Doors. Midway through the song, Ray Manzarek goes off on a solo featuring "Afro Blue", a jazz standard composed by Mongo Santamaria and covered by John Coltrane among others. Listen to John Densmore's incredible drumming...wow!
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Post by B.E. on Feb 28, 2021 16:55:19 GMT
After listening to nothing but the Beatles, Dylan, and the Beach Boys 'single of the week' for about a month and a half, it finally felt right to mix it up. One of the first albums I reached for was my favorite Doors album, L.A. Woman. It did not disappoint! I'm sure we've talked about it before but side 1 rules! I absolutely love "The Changeling", "Love Her Madly", "Been Down So Long", and "Cars Hiss By My Window". And, "L.A. Woman" is a classic. This time around, and many times before, "Cars Hiss By My Window" really struck me as a cool track. I love the line "cars hiss by my window like the waves down on the beach". And, the backing track, the production, the lead vocal, it all so perfectly fits the line/song. What a great vibe! Definitely one of my favorite Doors songs.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 1, 2021 13:48:06 GMT
After listening to nothing but the Beatles, Dylan, and the Beach Boys 'single of the week' for about a month and a half, it finally felt right to mix it up. One of the first albums I reached for was my favorite Doors album, L.A. Woman. It did not disappoint! I'm sure we've talked about it before but side 1 rules! I absolutely love "The Changeling", "Love Her Madly", "Been Down So Long", and "Cars Hiss By My Window". And, "L.A. Woman" is a classic. This time around, and many times before, "Cars Hiss By My Window" really struck me as a cool track. I love the line "cars hiss by my window like the waves down on the beach". And, the backing track, the production, the lead vocal, it all so perfectly fits the line/song. What a great vibe! Definitely one of my favorite Doors songs. Yes, "Cars Hiss By My Window" is a cool track - with no Ray keyboard BTW. Underrated. The lyrics are very visual. I'm right there. I can see the images. I can almost feel the ocean. The darkened room.
The Doors were into the blues from the very beginning. Their 1966 setlists at The London Fog and The Matrix were sprinkled with blues' songs. Ray brought them from Chicago and Jim loved singing them. Robbie grew up listening to Blind Willie McTell, Robert Johnson, and Albert King among other blues' greats.
Not only does Side 1 rule, but I think it's time for L.A. Woman to be mentioned and recognized NEAR THE TOP of All-Time Great Album polls. Of course we have the classics including "Love Her Madly", "Riders On The Storm", and the title track. But I think, over the years, the next tier - "The Changeling", "Been Down So Long", "Cars Hiss By My Window", "L'America", "Hyacinth House", and "The WASP" - all have grown in stature and have to be considered as very good/great songs. Just because they weren't singles...The only song "lacking" is "Crawling King Snake", though it still has some merit. I wish they would've done another take or a different/faster arrangement.
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2021 20:23:38 GMT
Apparently, today marks the 30th Anniversary of the release of the controversial Oliver Stone movie The Doors. ultimateclassicrock.com/the-doors-movie/The movie (like all biopics) has its inaccuracies, but I think it's entertaining.
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