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Post by Kapitan on Jun 28, 2019 0:39:03 GMT
That is an inoffensive, unremarkable, not unpleasant, not good song and recording.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 28, 2019 0:47:25 GMT
If a songwriter took about five or six random summer/beach/fun songs and came up with "a composite song", it would be this one. The guy never quits, but I'm not sure who is listening. Well, I guess I am!
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Post by B.E. on Jun 28, 2019 1:06:43 GMT
If a songwriter took about five or six random summer/beach/fun songs and came up with "a composite song", it would be this one. The guy never quits, but I'm not sure who is listening. Well, I guess I am! You're not kidding! I kept hearing a particularly nasal late 70s/early 80s Mike singing along, but I was having trouble placing it. Then it hit me - the verse of "Some Of Your Love". Mike's been a-romancin' that song for decades.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 28, 2019 1:12:37 GMT
If a songwriter took about five or six random summer/beach/fun songs and came up with "a composite song", it would be this one. Exactly what I was talking about earlier in the "questions" thread in noting the absence of Brian's songwriting on certain albums. It's not that the other guys couldn't make songs...sometimes even pleasant ones. But they tend to be like this, more or less: anybody's prediction as to what some generic musician (without any particular originality or talents) might do "in the style of the Beach Boys".
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 28, 2019 1:19:45 GMT
If a songwriter took about five or six random summer/beach/fun songs and came up with "a composite song", it would be this one. Exactly what I was talking about earlier in the "questions" thread in noting the absence of Brian's songwriting on certain albums. It's not that the other guys couldn't make songs...sometimes even pleasant ones. But they tend to be like this, more or less: anybody's prediction as to what some generic musician (without any particular originality or talents) might do "in the style of the Beach Boys". Totally agree. And this is off the subject, but that's the one thing, the most bothersome thing for me with Brian's solo career - his recycling (and covering!) of his prior work.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 28, 2019 1:22:46 GMT
There's no such thing as a bottomless well.
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Post by kds on Jun 28, 2019 12:10:01 GMT
Exactly what I was talking about earlier in the "questions" thread in noting the absence of Brian's songwriting on certain albums. It's not that the other guys couldn't make songs...sometimes even pleasant ones. But they tend to be like this, more or less: anybody's prediction as to what some generic musician (without any particular originality or talents) might do "in the style of the Beach Boys". Totally agree. And this is off the subject, but that's the one thing, the most bothersome thing for me with Brian's solo career - his recycling (and covering!) of his prior work. Mike, Brian, and Al have all done that on their recent solo output. And thank goodness The Beach Boys resisted the urge to put a the remake of She Believes in Love Again on TWGMTR. I can live with the lyrical nods to I Get Around and Good Vibrations, but the one thing that album did NOT need was a pointless remake.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 28, 2019 12:32:44 GMT
Totally agree. And this is off the subject, but that's the one thing, the most bothersome thing for me with Brian's solo career - his recycling (and covering!) of his prior work. Mike, Brian, and Al have all done that on their recent solo output. And thank goodness The Beach Boys resisted the urge to put a the remake of She Believes in Love Again on TWGMTR. I can live with the lyrical nods to I Get Around and Good Vibrations, but the one thing that album did NOT need was a pointless remake. Yes, I forgot to include Al in my criticism of recycling prior work. I'm slipping. Such disappointing solo releases. Has there ever been a band with more disparity in quality from the work they did with their band to their solo recordings?
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Post by kds on Jun 28, 2019 12:36:05 GMT
Mike, Brian, and Al have all done that on their recent solo output. And thank goodness The Beach Boys resisted the urge to put a the remake of She Believes in Love Again on TWGMTR. I can live with the lyrical nods to I Get Around and Good Vibrations, but the one thing that album did NOT need was a pointless remake. Yes, I forgot to include Al in my criticism of recycling prior work. I'm slipping. Such disappointing solo releases. Has there ever been a band with more disparity in quality from the work they did with their band to their solo recordings? Hmmmm, Queen maybe. I tend to enjoy the good material from the BB's solo material in the same way that I enjoy post Holland BB work.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 28, 2019 12:37:11 GMT
Has there ever been a band with more disparity in quality from the work they did with their band to their solo recordings? Every great band, I'd say. Velvet Underground to Lou Reed's worst. Beatles to Ringo's worst and John's worst. And so on.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 28, 2019 12:50:26 GMT
Has there ever been a band with more disparity in quality from the work they did with their band to their solo recordings? Every great band, I'd say. Velvet Underground to Lou Reed's worst. Beatles to Ringo's worst and John's worst. And so on. Yes, there is/could be disparity with every great band, but as much disparity as The Beach Boys?
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 28, 2019 12:52:12 GMT
I think so, definitely. I mean, with Lou Reed: Metal Machine Music? The Bells? Growing Up in Public? The former you could generously write off as experimental or a record-label F-you, but those others (and several more besides) were just TERRIBLE. From the guy who wrote Rock n Roll, Sweet Jane, Heroin, Sunday Morning, and many more greats.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 28, 2019 12:59:45 GMT
I think so, definitely. I mean, with Lou Reed: Metal Machine Music? The Bells? Growing Up in Public? The former you could generously write off as experimental or a record-label F-you, but those others (and several more besides) were just TERRIBLE. From the guy who wrote Rock n Roll, Sweet Jane, Heroin, Sunday Morning, and many more greats. For the albums you mentioned, yes, that would...qualify. But you can't omit the stronger tracks and albums, either. There were a lot of highlights with Lou Reed. And Ringo, too, especially his early solo years. Ringo's greatest hits CD is very good. The Beach Boys' solo efforts, while OK to passable, were devoid of many real "highs". There was a lot of "meh".
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Post by kds on Jun 28, 2019 13:05:07 GMT
Pink Floyd is up there too.
I really enjoy much of David Gilmour's material, but it doesn't come close to the highs of Floyd. Roger Waters has four solo albums, one is quite good, one pretty good, one is OK, one is trash. Syd, Nick, and Rick probably have a handful of ok songs between them.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 28, 2019 13:07:50 GMT
One thing I'd say differentiates them is that the Beach Boys never really broke up and committed to being solo artists, Brian notwithstanding. (And even he was "is he or isn't he?" until the 2000s.) Their solo work rarely felt like something they were committed to doing, wanted to be doing, had any business doing.
I mean, Al's is the ultimate vanity project (except for maybe Mike's largely self-covers stuff). When your new solo album is mostly or largely just your old band's songs, it's hard to pretend you're trying to do anything good or serious.
Dennis was different, but Dennis was an addict and he died. Carl ... I don't know. Those were just massive disappointments for me, but I have to admit he did seem to truly want to do them. Brian's solo material, I think, is quite strong for a legacy artist his age with his issues. It isn't GREAT, and it doesn't consistently do it for me. But there is a lot of really good stuff, even if it leaves me wishing "if only" this or that.
But post Beatles, for example, those guys were solo artists. Period. The odd rumor aside, there was not going to be a Beatles anymore. If they were going to be musicians, it was as something new. I actually think all four had their share of stinkers, with George's, Ringo's, and even John's output staggeringly weak if you look at the percentages of what hit and what missed. (I think John only had about three albums' worth of good material combined in his solo career. George, less. Ringo, less still, and he wasn't artistically dominant on it to begin with.)
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