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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Feb 5, 2020 22:57:19 GMT
Top Ten Songs By The Stranglers:
06 Walk On By
That's a super song of theirs. JJB's bass never sounded better. "Just go for a stroll in the trees!" Jean-Jacques Burnel - a very underrated bassist. Hardly anybody ever heard of him!
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Post by jk on Feb 8, 2020 21:31:04 GMT
Ten of my favourite symphonies by ten composers. The numbers in the list correspond to the numbers of the symphonies in question:
01) E.J. Moeran (he only wrote one) 02) Alexander Borodin 03) Johannes Brahms 04) Dmitri Shostakovich 05) Carl Nielsen 06) Gustav Mahler 07) Jean Sibelius 08) Antonín Dvořák 09) Anton Bruckner 10) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (couldn't think of a #10 so I checked out this symphony by Mozart and loved it!)
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 8, 2020 21:58:52 GMT
Mighty bold to leave off arguably the greatest symphonist of all time, a certain Mr. Beethoven!
I think Mssrs. Berlioz and Tchaikovsky would also take umbrage with your list. Luckily for you, I don't think they're likely to do so.
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Post by jk on Feb 8, 2020 22:53:00 GMT
Mighty bold to leave off arguably the greatest symphonist of all time, a certain Mr. Beethoven!
I think Mssrs. Berlioz and Tchaikovsky would also take umbrage with your list. Luckily for you, I don't think they're likely to do so.
You could blame that on the funny format I chose. There's no place in it for the likes of Tsch.'s Manfred Symphony or Berlioz's Harold in Italy. As for leaving out Ludwig Van, there are only ten slots--blame that on the OP!
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Post by jk on Feb 10, 2020 9:06:34 GMT
3. Rap. 1986-92; 2012-present. I heard "the Message" when it was a few years old, but it was really the Run-DMC hits, and then things like Kool Moe Dee and Young MC that got me so excited. It was just as cartoonish as heavy metal (unlaced, big sneakers; gold chains; funny Gilligan hats or something) and entirely foreign to me. I loved it through the De La Soul and Beastie Boys classics of the early 90s but once so-called gangsta rap came into fashion, I opted out. (Turns out I'd missed a lot of cool stuff in there, too.) It was in the past half decade or so that I've tentatively dipped toes in. I remain attracted to great samples, live funk or RnB musicians, and what I guess you'd call "literate" lyrics.
Great post there, Cap'n. As for Rap, Ovi at you-know-where tried to get me into Kendrick Lamar. I was seriously impressed--I wouldn't put it down-- but it's just not for me. A rapper Ovi did convert me to is M.F. Doom, who makes the best use of samples in rap I've yet to hear. Doom paints a colourful canvas, which is what puts me off much of the rest (at least, of what I've heard over the years). His stuff is definitely worth checking out: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Me_to_Your_Leader_(King_Geedorah_album)
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 10, 2020 14:32:54 GMT
Another guy who makes good use of samples these days is Your Old Droog. In fact, one that jumped out at me from him a couple years ago was in his "Help," which included Frank Zappa's "Help, I'm a Rock." That's one you don't hear in rap every day!
Of course, the two albums that are sort-of the godfathers of hip-hop sampling are De La Soul 3 Feet High and Rising and the Beastie Boys' Paul's Boutique, two albums that used dozens if not hundreds of samples (and helped usher in laws regarding crediting and permissions for samples).
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Post by B.E. on Jul 23, 2020 21:37:49 GMT
Top 10 Favorite Eagles Songs
1. Take It Easy 2. Hotel California 3. Victim Of Love 4. Peaceful Easy Feeling 5. Already Gone 6. Tequila Sunrise 7. Ol' 55 8. Lyin' Eyes 9. Heartache Tonight 10. Life In The Fast Lane
Honorable Mentions: "Nightingale", "Desperado", "The Best Of My Love", "James Dean", "Take It To The Limit".
As much as any other group, the Eagles knew which of their songs were best. Their single and compilation selections were very strong. So, my list reflects that. "Ol' 55" and the honorable mention, "Nightingale", are the only oddities here. "Desperado" wasn't a single, but it was included on their first compilation which is one of the best-selling albums ever. It's also a testament to the group that each of their '70s albums are represented. And, while these are my favorites, most of their album tracks aren't too far off quality-wise. They were very consistent and well-produced.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 23, 2020 22:49:39 GMT
Top 10 Favorite Eagles Songs 1. Take It Easy 2. Hotel California 3. Victim Of Love 4. Peaceful Easy Feeling 5. Already Gone 6. Tequila Sunrise 7. Ol' 55 8. Lyin' Eyes 9. Heartache Tonight 10. Life In The Fast Lane Honorable Mentions: "Nightingale", "Desperado", "The Best Of My Love", "James Dean", "Take It To The Limit". As much as any other group, the Eagles knew which of their songs were best. Their single and compilation selections were very strong. So, my list reflects that. "Ol' 55" and the honorable mention, "Nightingale", are the only oddities here. "Desperado" wasn't a single, but it was included on their first compilation which is one of the best-selling albums ever. It's also a testament to the group that each of their '70s albums are represented. And, while these are my favorites, most of their album tracks aren't too far off quality-wise. They were very consistent and well-produced. B.E., do you have any opinions on adding Deacon Frey and Vince Gill to the band?
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Post by B.E. on Jul 23, 2020 23:03:36 GMT
B.E., do you have any opinions on adding Deacon Frey and Vince Gill to the band? Nah, I can't say I do. I haven't heard/watched the current lineup. I'm very much living in the '70s when it comes to the Eagles. I haven't even gotten around to listening to Long Road Out Of Eden.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 23, 2020 23:09:22 GMT
B.E., do you have any opinions on adding Deacon Frey and Vince Gill to the band? Nah, I can't say I do. I haven't heard/watched the current lineup. I'm very much living in the '70s when it comes to the Eagles. I haven't even gotten around to listening to Long Road Out Of Eden. I've already commented on it a couple of times, but I recently caught their 2018 concert, Live From The L.A. Forum MMXVIII, on TV and it was great; an entertaining two and a half hours of music. At times they had enough guitars on stage to rival Blue Oyster Cult, but the songs were mostly true to their original arrangements and all of the vocalists were excellent.
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Post by kds on Jul 24, 2020 12:17:49 GMT
B.E., do you have any opinions on adding Deacon Frey and Vince Gill to the band? Nah, I can't say I do. I haven't heard/watched the current lineup. I'm very much living in the '70s when it comes to the Eagles. I haven't even gotten around to listening to Long Road Out Of Eden. There's some good songs on that album, but there was no reason for it to be a double IMO.
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Post by bellbottoms on Jul 24, 2020 13:52:15 GMT
Maybe this is a weird one, but... Top 10 Songs You Heard for the First Time Recently and Liked:
1. Start Wearing Purple – Gogol Bordello 2. Saturn 5 – Inspiral Carpets 3. Dancing Fool – Frank Zappa 4. Infected – Teenage Head 5. Neat Neat Neat – The Damned 6. Laces Out – USS 7. Black Soul Choir – 16 Horsepower 8. Don’t Touch Me There – The Tubes 9. The Next Time We Wed – The Fratellis 10. Killer Shangri-Lah – Pshycotic Beats
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Post by B.E. on Jul 24, 2020 19:19:58 GMT
These are my top 10 most overrated artists/bands.
Nirvana
I'm a Nirvana and Kurt Cobain fan, but I'm not familiar enough with their entire catalogue to defend them or my opinion. I love their greatest hits, I will say that. I think Cobain was a great singer/songwriter, and I consider "Smells Like Teen Spirit" one of the best rock anthems of all time.
Blast from the past! Sorry for editing both quotes, but I've noticed Nirvana and Rick Beato's YouTube channel mentioned a few times here, and in browsing this thread yesterday it occurred to me that there might be some interest in these two videos. Rick is a huge Nirvana fan and often praises Kurt as one of the greatest melody writers of all-time. So whether you are a fan or think he's overrated, you might appreciate these videos. As a fan, SJS will probably dig the isolated tracks that Beato has access to. I certainly do. And, I love how passionate he is about the music. The first video is dedicated to "Smells Like Teen Spirit". The in-depth analysis of the verse and pre-chorus melody starts at about 6:50 and of the chorus @12:40. The second video focuses on "Heart Shaped Box" (melody analysis @2:25) and "You Know You're Right" with a little commentary on "Frances Farmer" (melody analysis @10:30). As for my stance - I like Nirvana. I hadn't listened to them in many years, but I always liked the band (bass, drums, guitar, vocals) and I liked a lot of Kurt's songwriting. Some of the songs are too heavy for my taste and some of the lyrics I flat-out dislike, but on the whole I'm a fan for sure. By the way, I love "You Know You're Right". I remember when they released it posthumously. It was very exciting, and an instant favorite.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 24, 2020 22:07:04 GMT
Thank you for sharing those videos, B.E. I enjoyed them very much. Rick Beato literally took the words right out of my mouth.
A quick, boring story...By the fall of 1991, my viewing of MTV was fading fast. The station and the music was changing, and so was I. One night I came home from work and turned on MTV, and the video for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" comes on. Blew. Me. Away. The intro, the drums, the guitar work, the melody, the chorus, Cobain's vocal, everything really...wow. They did it. Somebody finally recorded a NEW rock anthem! Now this was new music I could get into.
About an hour later I went to a local high school basketball game, and before the game, as the teams were warming up, guess what song was blasting over the loud speakers in the gym? Yep. "Smells Like Teen Spirit". It was the perfect setting and the perfect moment. I even commented to some fan sitting next to me that I loved the song. He concurred. Well, after that I started to hear the song on the radio; it was everywhere.
That's the end of the story. I followed and appreciated all of Nirvana's singles and videos on MTV. I like the Unplugged concert, too. Nirvana and Pearl Jam are the only "new" bands I ever got into and they are both over 30 years old now. I never bought a Nirvana album until the Greatest Hits CD came out. I just think they were a great band and Kurt Cobain was a very talented singer, guitarist, and songwriter. Hello, hello, hello, how low...
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 25, 2020 12:33:41 GMT
I'll check these out.
Honestly (and to be a little humble [for once!]) I can't say I've ever dug into the Nirvana catalog enough to speak definitively about them. They were everywhere, of course, for those 3-4 years in the early to mid 90s, though, and I just couldn't enjoy it. There were probably a lot of reasons. Looking back and speculating a little on my teenage psychology, I'm guessing:
They were replacing a music that often included and praised a high level of musicianship with one that celebrated slop. It was hard for me, coming off of virtuoso shredders, heavily into classic rock and blues, and getting really into jazz, to accept this "new" style where some players openly said--bragged, even--they could barely play.
Their allegedly new music struck me as recycled old music, not an actually new development (other than maybe the dirty flannel...).
They badmouthed everything else at the time, which struck me as petulant.
Their anti-corporate talking points were a joke, considering they were a band quite willing to sign with a major label, pose for magazines, make videos. Sorry, but I wasn't feeling their pain.
At a time when a lot of rock musicians and the culture were coming out the other side of one drug era (coke), suddenly Nirvana and their peers were celebrating heroin and opiates. That REALLY made me mad, even as a kid who was just beginning to explore alcohol himself. They SEEMED to be saying "this stuff is what REAL artists do, how REAL musicians live," and a lot of people believed that. That we have a new heroin scene every generation or so is just so depressing. As a huge fan of the jazz musicians who underwent what was probably the first American heroin-music scene (the bebop era), I have no patience for those promoting it as if they couldn't know the inevitable result.
They were supposedly doing away with the chaff of solos, production, etc., in favor of "the song" ... but I wasn't hearing the same magic in the songs that others apparently were. Sure, here and there they weren't bad, I won't lie about that. But their better songs didn't strike me as better than other major artists' better songs, not by a long shot. And I, mostly a fan of great guitarists and singers at the time, heard Nirvana as 0-for-2 on that front.
Lastly, their fans were the worst. I'd hear them--my high school or early college peers--parroting the things they'd heard Cobain say on MTV or in Rolling Stone about how everything popular had always sucked, how they really cared about "the songs," and blending it with this crap that, to be fair, many kids that age start babbling about (regarding "the system" and all the pseudo-intellectual ramblings), and I'd just hate those kids. I really did. Upper-middle class white suburban kids whining about alienation and "the man" from the dorm in their college that cost more per semester than my full state-school college education cost? I felt the same about them that I do now about those antifa brat-criminals, that they were having a good time slumming it, playing down-and-out rebels, with the security of their parents or trust funds. And Cobain was their prophet, Nirvana was their hymnal.
Anyway, that is my "why I hated Nirvana, fair or unfair" ramble. That said, I admit it's just my own personal experience and is full of whatever biases I had and have. I'll check out the videos.
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