bellbottoms
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Post by bellbottoms on Mar 6, 2020 13:48:24 GMT
You both listed Echoes. Now I wonder what I’m missing about that one. I just think it has anything you'd want in a classic era Floyd song. It's anchored by Wright's keyboard playing. It features several Gilmour solos. It's got multiple distinct sections ranging from pastoral calm to funk to a four minute slow tension build. Plus, the vocal harmonies of Gilmour and Wright. Ah, I was getting it confused with another song. I remember it now. Lots of good stuff there. I don't think it kicks anything off my list, but I do like that one.
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Post by kds on Mar 6, 2020 13:55:25 GMT
I just think it has anything you'd want in a classic era Floyd song. It's anchored by Wright's keyboard playing. It features several Gilmour solos. It's got multiple distinct sections ranging from pastoral calm to funk to a four minute slow tension build. Plus, the vocal harmonies of Gilmour and Wright. Ah, I was getting it confused with another song. I remember it now. Lots of good stuff there. I don't think it kicks anything off my list, but I do like that one. It's interesting that on the 1972 Pompeii film, they break Echoes into two parts to bookend the film. The first part ends after the funky section, and the second part begins with the seagull guitar section.
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Post by jk on Mar 15, 2020 11:09:33 GMT
Even though I've finished my reviews of their catalog, please feel free to chime in on all things Floyd. Perhaps it's appropriate now to play a Floyd track or two. I'll start with "Flaming" (from TPATGOD), which I see was released as a 45 in the US: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(song)
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Post by kds on Mar 16, 2020 12:22:55 GMT
Even though I've finished my reviews of their catalog, please feel free to chime in on all things Floyd. Perhaps it's appropriate now to play a Floyd track or two. I'll start with "Flaming" (from TPATGOD), which I see was released as a 45 in the US: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(song) One of my favorites from the Syd era. Funny how the Syd Floyd were at their best with short songs.
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Post by jk on Mar 16, 2020 15:15:19 GMT
Perhaps it's appropriate now to play a Floyd track or two. I'll start with "Flaming" (from TPATGOD), which I see was released as a 45 in the US: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(song)One of my favorites from the Syd era. Funny how the Syd Floyd were at their best with short songs. I remember (I hope my memory isn't playing me up) when they had to play "Flaming" live on a UK radio show. At that time there was this crazy ruling that nothing could be longer than ten minutes. (Maybe the BBC was afraid they would do the extended stuff they normally played live in those days.) Anyway, they didn't sound comfortable at all doing what was basically a studio track...
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Post by kds on Mar 16, 2020 15:27:16 GMT
One of my favorites from the Syd era. Funny how the Syd Floyd were at their best with short songs. I remember (I hope my memory isn't playing me up) when they had to play "Flaming" live on a UK radio show. At that time there was this crazy ruling that nothing could be longer than ten minutes. (Maybe the BBC was afraid they would do the extended stuff they normally played live in those days.) Anyway, they didn't sound comfortable at all doing what was basically a studio track... There are some interesting video clips around of Floyd lipsyncing Syd songs after Syd had been ousted from the group. I think there's one of Flaming, but can't recall. I know there's one of Apples and Oranges with Roger miming Syd's vocals.
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Post by jk on Mar 19, 2020 21:02:44 GMT
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Post by kds on May 19, 2020 12:12:30 GMT
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Post by Kapitan on May 19, 2020 12:19:32 GMT
It's a shame for most everyone involved when the music and music fandom of bands collide with the legal entities of bands.
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Post by kds on May 19, 2020 12:27:13 GMT
It's a shame for most everyone involved when the music and music fandom of bands collide with the legal entities of bands. Right, at this point, Pink Floyd is over. I was thinking recently that one of the reasons Gilmour might've cobbled together a final Floyd album in 2014's Endless River was to have the final say in Floyd's history. Prior to that, the final Pink Floyd event was the Live 8 reunion in 2005 which featured Roger.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 19, 2020 13:26:44 GMT
I have to side with Roger Waters on this one, too. I think websites like that should be for the fans. If David Gilmour is "editing" the content this way, then that is very disappointing.
In following The Beach Boys/Brian Wilson, The Kinks, Simon & Garfunkel, CSN&Y, Pink Floyd, and others, it's becoming apparent that no matter what age you live to, how much money you have in your bank account, and how many plaques and trophies you've accumulated, it is still difficult to put some things behind, mend fences, and come to a peaceful...resolution. I guess rock stars are just like everybody else and encounter many of the same relationship problems, however, some "regular" people don't get the opportunity (handed to them?) to make things right either.
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Post by Kapitan on May 19, 2020 13:30:42 GMT
In following The Beach Boys/Brian Wilson, The Kinks, Simon & Garfunkel, CSN&Y, Pink Floyd, and others, it's becoming apparent that no matter what age you live to, how much money you have in your bank account, and how many plaques and trophies you've accumulated, it is still difficult to put some things behind, mend fences, and come to a peaceful...resolution. I guess rock stars are just like everybody else and encounter many of the same relationship problems, however, some "regular" people don't get the opportunity (handed to them?) to make things right either.
I have a response of sorts to this coming this morning (sometime ... I'm between meetings, which also says a lot about how I go about my actual paid work, I guess!) ... in the NBA thread!
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Post by kds on May 19, 2020 13:39:58 GMT
I have to side with Roger Waters on this one, too. I think websites like that should be for the fans. If David Gilmour is "editing" the content this way, then that is very disappointing.
In following The Beach Boys/Brian Wilson, The Kinks, Simon & Garfunkel, CSN&Y, Pink Floyd, and others, it's becoming apparent that no matter what age you live to, how much money you have in your bank account, and how many plaques and trophies you've accumulated, it is still difficult to put some things behind, mend fences, and come to a peaceful...resolution. I guess rock stars are just like everybody else and encounter many of the same relationship problems, however, some "regular" people don't get the opportunity (handed to them?) to make things right either.
I agree, especially considering Pink Floyd doesn't exist anymore. I think Roger Waters's career is far more relevant in the eyes of Pink Floyd fans than Polly Samson's books.
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Post by Kapitan on May 19, 2020 20:57:32 GMT
The spat is on Pitchfork, too, now. Nothing really new there from what you posted before, just noting that it's spreading in publicity. One thing I have to take issue with Waters over is this, though: The key to that, to me, is "I left the band in 1985." If the website is a band property, and you left the band 35 years ago, then it seems to me on at least some levels, whether David Gilmour owns or thinks he owns it, Roger Waters most certainly does not. I can't delete my membership on this board and then later complain that nobody is letting me post my thoughts on it. If Waters chose to stop being in Pink Floyd, and if their legal relationship is written as such, then he doesn't have the rights to do anything with their website. It's pretty simple on that level.
Not saying Gilmour IS Pink Floyd or that he ought to let his wife sell books there or anything like that. Or even that it's right in a bigger sense of the word. But it is certainly right that if you dissolve your business/legal relationship, you can't complain that that business/entity isn't doing what you want it to do.
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Post by kds on May 20, 2020 12:16:15 GMT
The spat is on Pitchfork, too, now. Nothing really new there from what you posted before, just noting that it's spreading in publicity. One thing I have to take issue with Waters over is this, though: The key to that, to me, is "I left the band in 1985." If the website is a band property, and you left the band 35 years ago, then it seems to me on at least some levels, whether David Gilmour owns or thinks he owns it, Roger Waters most certainly does not. I can't delete my membership on this board and then later complain that nobody is letting me post my thoughts on it. If Waters chose to stop being in Pink Floyd, and if their legal relationship is written as such, then he doesn't have the rights to do anything with their website. It's pretty simple on that level.
Not saying Gilmour IS Pink Floyd or that he ought to let his wife sell books there or anything like that. Or even that it's right in a bigger sense of the word. But it is certainly right that if you dissolve your business/legal relationship, you can't complain that that business/entity isn't doing what you want it to do.
I do agree with the logic of that. And even during the Live 8 reunion, when Roger tried to take control of the setlist, Gilmour made it very clear that Roger was a guest, not a full member of the band. However, I think since Pink Floyd are no longer an active band, that the website should be about the goings on of David and Nick, as well as Roger. And any archival news with Rick and Syd as well.
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