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Post by kds on Nov 14, 2019 15:50:03 GMT
Someone else would’ve had to sing it: Al, Darian or Matt. (Actually I’m not sure Al could nail the high parts in the third quarter of each verse live, so probably Matt or Darian.) I think Darian would've done a good job. Maybe even Scott Bennett, who was still in the band at the time, who sang Sebu's parts of Runaway Dancer.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 14, 2019 18:37:32 GMT
Oh yeah. I was thinking he was gone basically after that one pre-album Vegas show with the guests. But if he was around, he definitely could’ve handled it.
From a musical perspective, I really think they miss Bennett.
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 14, 2019 21:27:34 GMT
That would've worked. I like the song a lot. Might've even made a good single. I happened to hear it one night at a local mall on their instore satellite. It's too bad, it didn't crack any NPP setlists in 2015 (but freakin' Runaway Dancer did). What was the last time Brian and co played any NPP songs? Let me guess...sometime in 2015.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 14, 2019 21:33:37 GMT
I think he did "Sail Away" at the Pet Sounds show I saw in Minneapolis, which was ... 2017? But a) I might be wrong about that, and b) I might be wrong about the year. So this post is worth approximately nothing.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Nov 15, 2019 0:39:57 GMT
Here's one from July 2016:
...and another from September 2016:
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Post by kds on Nov 15, 2019 13:16:08 GMT
I happened to hear it one night at a local mall on their instore satellite. It's too bad, it didn't crack any NPP setlists in 2015 (but freakin' Runaway Dancer did). What was the last time Brian and co played any NPP songs? Let me guess...sometime in 2015. They did Sail Away at a few Pet Sounds shows in late 2016. That's pretty much the pattern of Brian, and most legacy artists, to play the new material on that promotional store, then never again.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Nov 15, 2019 14:25:53 GMT
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 17, 2019 20:21:18 GMT
What was the last time Brian and co played any NPP songs? Let me guess...sometime in 2015. They did Sail Away at a few Pet Sounds shows in late 2016. That's pretty much the pattern of Brian, and most legacy artists, to play the new material on that promotional store, then never again. Yeah, I know that is the pattern for most, which is why Brian would be a little different. The thing about the music biz today that annoys me - at least for legacy or heritage rock artists (funny how we keep finding new names for them...I guess oldies or classic rock has too many negative connotations...Mike's band is an oldies band, Brian's isi heritage...lol) and new music is the whole thing hinges on that first week. There's so much emphasis on pre-ordering, pre-release hype. Then the album comes out, makes a debut relatively high on the chart...second week takes a big drop..and by the third or fourth week, it's all over. It doesn't seem that anyone takes a long range view of these things, like "maybe if we continue to play these songs, they'll catch on". I don't include Mike in this, as he has been playing Pisces Brothers and other new stuff in his sets for several years.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 17, 2019 21:55:23 GMT
They did Sail Away at a few Pet Sounds shows in late 2016. That's pretty much the pattern of Brian, and most legacy artists, to play the new material on that promotional store, then never again. Yeah, I know that is the pattern for most, which is why Brian would be a little different. The thing about the music biz today that annoys me - at least for legacy or heritage rock artists (funny how we keep finding new names for them...I guess oldies or classic rock has too many negative connotations...Mike's band is an oldies band, Brian's isi heritage...lol) and new music is the whole thing hinges on that first week. There's so much emphasis on pre-ordering, pre-release hype. Then the album comes out, makes a debut relatively high on the chart...second week takes a big drop..and by the third or fourth week, it's all over. It doesn't seem that anyone takes a long range view of these things, like "maybe if we continue to play these songs, they'll catch on". I don't include Mike in this, as he has been playing Pisces Brothers and other new stuff in his sets for several years. I'm going to sound like I'm trying to have it both ways on this one.
First, I'd like to see BW and other still-active older artists, if I were in the habit of seeing them (McCartney, Rolling Stones, etc.), showcase more of their catalogs including their newer music. Not the "play the whole album" schtick, but at least try to better represent their material from across their careers, including their more recent material.
But that said, musicians have long said that whenever they do that, they see the audience collectively lose interest, head out to use the bathroom or grab a drink, or otherwise just stop paying attention. And what's more, in the case of many (including Brian and McCartney, at least), their newer music just rarely holds a candle to their best music. It's hard to drop "Dance, Dance, Dance" for "Runaway Dancer." (Yes, I picked a turd for the example, but the analogy holds.)
As for selling records, I don't think it would matter much. I think the reason those artists sell most of their records right away is that the people who still buy records are paying attention, waiting impatiently, and then snag them right away. I can't imagine a large number of people are going to Brian Wilson concerts who haven't bought his most recent album but might be convinced to do so by hearing him perform live.
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 18, 2019 7:42:14 GMT
Yeah, I know that is the pattern for most, which is why Brian would be a little different. The thing about the music biz today that annoys me - at least for legacy or heritage rock artists (funny how we keep finding new names for them...I guess oldies or classic rock has too many negative connotations...Mike's band is an oldies band, Brian's isi heritage...lol) and new music is the whole thing hinges on that first week. There's so much emphasis on pre-ordering, pre-release hype. Then the album comes out, makes a debut relatively high on the chart...second week takes a big drop..and by the third or fourth week, it's all over. It doesn't seem that anyone takes a long range view of these things, like "maybe if we continue to play these songs, they'll catch on". I don't include Mike in this, as he has been playing Pisces Brothers and other new stuff in his sets for several years. I'm going to sound like I'm trying to have it both ways on this one.
First, I'd like to see BW and other still-active older artists, if I were in the habit of seeing them (McCartney, Rolling Stones, etc.), showcase more of their catalogs including their newer music. Not the "play the whole album" schtick, but at least try to better represent their material from across their careers, including their more recent material.
But that said, musicians have long said that whenever they do that, they see the audience collectively lose interest, head out to use the bathroom or grab a drink, or otherwise just stop paying attention. And what's more, in the case of many (including Brian and McCartney, at least), their newer music just rarely holds a candle to their best music. It's hard to drop "Dance, Dance, Dance" for "Runaway Dancer." (Yes, I picked a turd for the example, but the analogy holds.)
As for selling records, I don't think it would matter much. I think the reason those artists sell most of their records right away is that the people who still buy records are paying attention, waiting impatiently, and then snag them right away. I can't imagine a large number of people are going to Brian Wilson concerts who haven't bought his most recent album but might be convinced to do so by hearing him perform live.
The fact that they drop anything new so quickly makes me feel like they don't care about the new stuff. And in McCartney's case, he could easily move from the stadium venues and still attract enough fans to fill up a large arena. I mean, just think about this - Paul put together another band after the Beatles, and they played all of 5 Beatles songs on their world tour in 1976. Where were the howls of protest? Eventually, everyone becomes an oldies act, even John Fogerty. I guess the legacy artist that can get away with a set list of 50% recent stuff is Dylan. Of course, that's calling Time Out of Mind (1997) and Love and Theft (2001) recent, lol.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 18, 2019 12:31:44 GMT
McCartney in 76 was still a contemporary hitmaker. He just happened to have been in the greatest band/phenomenon ever already. (And he struggled with balancing those.) but his oldest oldies were a dozen years old. Now we’re talking about people whose newest hits were two or three times that.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 18, 2019 12:34:05 GMT
Also if it makes you feel like they don’t care about the new stuff...they don’t. Not like they care about selling tickets to people who want to hear familiar hits.
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Post by kds on Nov 18, 2019 13:18:19 GMT
I'm going to sound like I'm trying to have it both ways on this one.
First, I'd like to see BW and other still-active older artists, if I were in the habit of seeing them (McCartney, Rolling Stones, etc.), showcase more of their catalogs including their newer music. Not the "play the whole album" schtick, but at least try to better represent their material from across their careers, including their more recent material.
But that said, musicians have long said that whenever they do that, they see the audience collectively lose interest, head out to use the bathroom or grab a drink, or otherwise just stop paying attention. And what's more, in the case of many (including Brian and McCartney, at least), their newer music just rarely holds a candle to their best music. It's hard to drop "Dance, Dance, Dance" for "Runaway Dancer." (Yes, I picked a turd for the example, but the analogy holds.)
As for selling records, I don't think it would matter much. I think the reason those artists sell most of their records right away is that the people who still buy records are paying attention, waiting impatiently, and then snag them right away. I can't imagine a large number of people are going to Brian Wilson concerts who haven't bought his most recent album but might be convinced to do so by hearing him perform live.
The fact that they drop anything new so quickly makes me feel like they don't care about the new stuff. And in McCartney's case, he could easily move from the stadium venues and still attract enough fans to fill up a large arena. I mean, just think about this - Paul put together another band after the Beatles, and they played all of 5 Beatles songs on their world tour in 1976. Where were the howls of protest? Eventually, everyone becomes an oldies act, even John Fogerty. I guess the legacy artist that can get away with a set list of 50% recent stuff is Dylan. Of course, that's calling Time Out of Mind (1997) and Love and Theft (2001) recent, lol. I don't think it's so much that artists don't care, as much as it's trying to please the people who buy tickets to the shows. Thanks to the digital music movement, new releases don't matter fiscally like they once did. Plus, in all honestly, very few artists three, four, five, or six decades into their careers are releasing music that really measures up with their prime material. For most of these artists, I'll typically get the new album, listen to it a few times, then it sits on the shelf for the most part.
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 19, 2019 6:32:50 GMT
The fact that they drop anything new so quickly makes me feel like they don't care about the new stuff. And in McCartney's case, he could easily move from the stadium venues and still attract enough fans to fill up a large arena. I mean, just think about this - Paul put together another band after the Beatles, and they played all of 5 Beatles songs on their world tour in 1976. Where were the howls of protest? Eventually, everyone becomes an oldies act, even John Fogerty. I guess the legacy artist that can get away with a set list of 50% recent stuff is Dylan. Of course, that's calling Time Out of Mind (1997) and Love and Theft (2001) recent, lol. I don't think it's so much that artists don't care, as much as it's trying to please the people who buy tickets to the shows. Thanks to the digital music movement, new releases don't matter fiscally like they once did. Plus, in all honestly, very few artists three, four, five, or six decades into their careers are releasing music that really measures up with their prime material. For most of these artists, I'll typically get the new album, listen to it a few times, then it sits on the shelf for the most part. So it's funny to me to see the industry hype a new release from McCartney or whoever like we should all be excited about it; Macca hitting #1 with Egypt Station was supposed to be a big deal, but i'm sure he won't be doing any of those songs on his next tour. I am starting to wonder about the Bobster, though. Last album of new material was Tempest, 2012. He's done 3 albums of standards since then. I only bought the first one - liked it enough that I will put it on occasionally, but I didn't need another one like it. And I wonder about guys like Neil Young and David Crosby that are really cranking out the new material. Is it a big part of their live shows, or do they adhere, like the others, to the greatest hits rule?
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 19, 2019 12:39:50 GMT
Can’t help you there, I don’t like Young or Crosby and so I don’t follow their touring habits.
It is becoming noticeable how long Dylan has gone without new material after a relatively busy and at least to begin with, high quality stretch since the late 90s. 5 new albums in about 15 years.
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