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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 1, 2019 17:12:07 GMT
Again, I'm being half serious and just making conversation, but using the above scenario, Brian could submit his songs to Paul and Jeff Lynne. Those two could take the songs and"flesh them out" and make any necessary alterations including lyrics. Jeff could produce the track, and then Brian could be called in to do the vocal arrangements and add his usual tweaking.
kds, you mentioned 1966, but actually now is the perfect time for the collaboration. I won't list all of the reasons - most are obvious and you can figure them out I'm sure. Are Brian and Paul functioning on the that same level as 1966? No, but that's why the team aspect is crucial and between the three of them...Hey, this forum is so popular and world-wide, maybe my idea will get back to them! I'd love to see Brian and / or Paul work with Lynne. Lynne has gotten quality material from both in the past. And I actually agree about the ranking of McCartney II. I might even put some of those later Ringo albums ahead of it. Is McCartney II Paul's Love You? Some fans love it and some fans don't care for it at all. On some polls it comes in rather high, and on others it's dismissed.
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Post by kds on Aug 1, 2019 17:40:56 GMT
I'd love to see Brian and / or Paul work with Lynne. Lynne has gotten quality material from both in the past. And I actually agree about the ranking of McCartney II. I might even put some of those later Ringo albums ahead of it. Is McCartney II Paul's Love You? Some fans love it and some fans don't care for it at all. On some polls it comes in rather high, and on others it's dismissed. It probably is, considering it's a kinda quirky album unlike most of his other work that the majority of his fanbase doesn't care for, but has a dedicated group of fans.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 2, 2019 12:14:18 GMT
Paul McCartney/Beatles trivia! What is the one Beatles' song that Paul "boycotted" and refused to record on?
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Post by kds on Aug 2, 2019 12:44:40 GMT
Paul McCartney/Beatles trivia! What is the one Beatles' song that Paul "boycotted" and refused to record on?
I don't recall ever having heard that. Nice find!!
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 2, 2019 12:47:46 GMT
I'd never heard that and don't think I'd have guessed it in a million years. Well, maybe in a million...but not a dozen.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 2, 2019 14:48:56 GMT
Paul McCartney/Beatles trivia! What is the one Beatles' song that Paul "boycotted" and refused to record on?
What do I win? IIRC John makes reference to this during the Get Back sessions when he says something like "in order to get what I wanted, I'd have to get George to play it". To which, Paul replied with the name of the song in question. Assuming the argument occurred during rehearsals, and was at least partially music-related, it could be that John thought Paul was overplaying or that Paul was attempting to take the song in a different direction. Throughout John's career he can be heard directing musicians to simplify their playing. To play the song "straight". Just a possibility. It would help if Paul or Ringo would clue the rest of us in.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 2, 2019 14:56:42 GMT
The funny thing is, John's music generally could use a little more style, a little more flair, a little more interesting production, than what he tended to do when left to his own devices (just as Paul could play it too cute). It's why the partnership, however tense at times, was so valuable for them both.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 2, 2019 15:05:16 GMT
Also, I think it's worth pointing out that when the album version of "I Me Mine" was recorded in 1970, John was in Denmark. It's possible that had he been home, he may have participated.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 2, 2019 15:08:34 GMT
It's such a John-sounding song, it's actually hard to imagine what kind of issue he'd have with it!
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Post by B.E. on Aug 2, 2019 15:21:06 GMT
It's such a John-sounding song, it's actually hard to imagine what kind of issue he'd have with it! Yeah, I think John was just not in a good place in January, 1969. Which is why I wonder what may have happened 12 months later if he weren't in Denmark.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 2, 2019 19:41:14 GMT
It's such a John-sounding song, it's actually hard to imagine what kind of issue he'd have with it! Yeah, I think John was just not in a good place in January, 1969. Which is why I wonder what may have happened 12 months later if he weren't in Denmark. You know, while I love and know their music pretty deeply and am familiar with the overall storylines, I actually don't know all the granular level stuff. What was the issue in early '69 with John, specifically? Was he on heroin by then? (I know he was kicking it around that year.)
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Post by B.E. on Aug 2, 2019 20:42:58 GMT
Yeah, I think John was just not in a good place in January, 1969. Which is why I wonder what may have happened 12 months later if he weren't in Denmark. You know, while I love and know their music pretty deeply and am familiar with the overall storylines, I actually don't know all the granular level stuff. What was the issue in early '69 with John, specifically? Was he on heroin by then? (I know he was kicking it around that year.) Yeah, you guessed it. It's speculated that his heroin addiction was at its worst during this period and consequently his and Yoko's behavior was at its most toxic. Not that it was all bad for John and the group doing those sessions, but some of John's behavior, in particular, was uncharacteristic (even for him). George left during these sessions due to disagreements with Paul but also because of a fight with Lennon that some believe came to blows. John's drug use would continue to be a problem throughout 1969, but obviously the Beatles managed it better and had numerous successful recording sessions for the various singles (Beatles and solo) and Abbey Road. I could be misremembering, but I seem to recall hearing speculation that John and Yoko got clean in Denmark. They stayed there for a month, living with Yoko's ex-husband's family. Then, within 2 days of coming back, he records "Instant Karma". Not bad. It's worth noting that George participated in the session. It should also be mentioned that Yoko suffered a miscarriage in late 1968. I'd love to go into greater detail, but I've forgotten most of them.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 2, 2019 20:54:56 GMT
They released "Cold Turkey" later that year, so presumably he was at least trying to get clean by that, if not successful.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 2, 2019 21:10:50 GMT
They released "Cold Turkey" later that year, so presumably he was at least trying to get clean by that, if not successful.
Yes. I think it took him numerous attempts to finally quit for good. Some think that it wasn't until his months of Primal Therapy in 1970 that really did it.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 2, 2019 21:56:59 GMT
I’m far from a teetotaling prude, but heroin and pharmaceuticals’ effect on music and musicians’ history is nothing short of a tragedy. Said Kapitan Obvious.
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